fully endorse it and stopped it cold on the hill. >> andrea, you know, i have great admiration for alan simpson and ear skin bowles, they've done fantastic work for this country on this issue in raising public consciousness about it, but i know there's a great affection in many parts of the country like the business community for simpson-bowles but if you study simpson-bowles, it requires quite sweeping tax reform in the area of deductions, for example, in order to achieve its own decreases in marginal rates which, of course, is a hallmark of simpson-bowles. i think it's quite unlikely if we think about how we're going to solve the fiscal cliff, that we're going to have either the appetite or the time to do the type of sweeping tax reform which historically has take an year or two or three, think about the '86 tax act, which simpson-bowles calls for. i don't think that's going to be the solution to the fiscal cliff and i don't think it's there for what we're going to do. >> well, we've got to go, but thank you very much. always good to see you, roger. >> same here. thanks a lot. >> up n